Showing posts with label suspension. Show all posts
Showing posts with label suspension. Show all posts

Jun 18, 2016

Rolling Chassis

It's been an embarrassing long time since my last post.  I could blame it on a busy job and family, but mostly laziness if I'm honest with myself.  Life gets in the way, but I've been able to achieve a major milestone recently... a rolling chassis!

It's a roller!!!
Several projects completed in the last year to get it to this point....


Rotor runout
In the front suspension post last summer, I discussed measuring the rotor runout at more than spec at ~0.010" but didn't have shims yet to adjust.  They were eventually delivered from McMaster-Carr and they are in place now between the hub and rotor hat.  Tedious work with several iterations of different shims, taking the rotor off & on each time held on by lug nuts, resetting the dial indicator, etc... but finally got it to within Wilwood spec for the front.  Thankfully for the rear, no shims were necessary... probably because the expert build I got for trailing arms, but more on that later.



Stainless steel fuel lines and brake lines
I chose stainless for peace of mind in durability.  The rear crossover line is a stock shape available from various corvette suppliers, but the front crossover line and front-to-rear line were custom to mate up with the Wilwood big brakes I'm using... 14" slotted rotors in the front with 6 piston calipers, 13" slotted rotors in the rear with 4 piston calipers.  It'll stop like a modern sports car!  The need for the custom lines arises from my desire to use an adjustable Wilwood proportioning valve.  The stock one is not adjustable and the aftermarket suspension/brakes I'm using could cause the front-to-rear brake bias to be 'unbalanced'.  The adjustable Wilwood version will allow me to dial it in to fit my new components, but the fittings for the front-to-rear line connection are different from stock.  I formed the shapes with copper tubing and sent them off to Inline Tube to be made in stainless.  I did not want to tackle bending/flaring my own since I had heard working stainless could be a PITA and not a situation where you can tolerate less than perfect fit of course.  Caliper to chassis lines were provided in the Wilwood package, but I did need to get a few adapter fittings and braided hoses to complete it all.  For the fuel lines... all are stainless stock shapes along with rubber hoses at the tank available from various corvette suppliers.



 
 







Steering
The steering is being converted to rack & pinion from Vette Brake & Products.  I wanted modern steering plus it will clean up the engine bay look with the steering box no longer there to butt up to the headers on the big block engine.  Everything came together fine except for one of the driver side bracket supports did not quite line up with its sister bracket.  VB&P were very helpful over the phone and sent me another one, but still did not fit well.  So I took matters into my own hands and cut off the "sail" piece that hangs down, clamped it to the sister bracket it was to bolt to and then welded the sail piece back to its base mounted on the frame.  Cleaned up my welds and had the part powder coated and all is well now.
 



Trailing Arms (built by Gary Ramadei)
After much research, I decided to have the trailing arms built by Gary Ramadei (aka gtr1999 on various corvette forums).  He was absolutely fantastic to work with!  Crazy as it sounds, I've not had the chance to meet him yet but after some phone calls & emails I became quite comfortable with trusting him for this work.  So shipped him the parts and received back expert results.  For my trailing arms, one of them turned out to be bent and needed to be replaced so I decided to replace them both with stock parts.  Gary cleaned up and fitted my remaining parts going the extra mile at every step... such as parallel surface grinding the spacer to really nail down the fine end-play tolerances on expert builds, hand-fitting the stainless parking brake components to work better than stock, and the list goes on.  He even sends loads of pics at each step to keep you informed.  For a complete description of his trailing arm build process, see this post he created on one of the corvette forums...
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77000


Half-Shafts
I restored my original half shafts by hand cleaning the rust/grim off then giving them the POR-15 rust preventative treatment followed by the color.  For U-joints, I followed Gary's suggestions and used SPICER 5-1350X's.  This is a solid-body joint without a grease fitting, an area where some have failed when subjected to high horsepower.  The half-shaft flanges have to be perfectly flat to get the joints to fit, so you need to bolt the flange to a flat support plate before you work with it to prevent it from bending.  You can make your own plate or buy it from various corvette suppliers.  Here's another post by Gary that discusses the recommended work in detail...
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76752


"Super 10" Rear Differential  (built by Gary Ramadei)

dusty I know!
After a bunch of research, I eventually decided on having Gary build my rear differential to his "Super 10" specs.  The goal is to have the rear end as strong as reasonably possible to handle a ~500 HP engine when it is eventually finished.  In a nutshell, this diff amounts to a 10 bolt but with 12 bolt internals and thus much stronger than stock.  The build is not cheap, but I am very pleased with the decision and end product... no fear now of rear end issues if I ever decide push the car hard in a club autocross event or something similar.  I recommend again hearing the details straight from Gary so see his post which describes the work in detail...
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124412




Wheels & Tires
Did a ton of research with respect to fit, style, photoshopping different looks, etc, and finally decided for the front... 18x8 American Racing Polished Torq-Thrust II wheels, 4" backspacing, 245/45/18 Nitto NT555 tires.  And for the rear... 18x9.5 American Racing Polished Torq-Thrust II wheels, 5" backspacing, 285/40/18 Nitto NT555 tires.  The backspacing had to be ordered custom for those wheels but was required to get everything to fit under the wheel well without interference from suspension components, etc.  The big brakes I'm using require 18" wheels, plus I dig the look with the 5-spoke design to show off the brakes.  The front combo is otherwise stock size and backspacing.  The rear is wider than stock because I'm after a meaty look from a rear view and that was about as big as I wanted to go after tons of research on what others have done.  Fitment looks good for now, but I'll be monitoring close areas such as the rear sway bar, the parking brake bracket on the trailing arms, and the transverse spring.

   



Sway Bars
The plan initially was to upgrade the front and rear sway bars to the ones that came with the Vette Brakes & Products suspension package, but I've decided now to go back to the original sway bars.  The front sway bar from VB&P was going to fit up nicely, but not the rear bar.  It didn't quite reach to the trailing arms to mount properly and would likely cause binding in the rear suspension travel since it doesn't have the pivot points similar to the stock sway bar that originally came on '72 big block cars.  So I disassembled my original rear bar, pressing out the old rotted bushings, and had it blasted and powdered coated to match the frame.  The original front sway bar got the same blast and powder coat treatment too because I had researched that the sway bars are designed to work together.  If one is 'overpowering' the other because it is too large relative to the other, the result could be oversteer or understeer issues.  The front sway bar from VB&P is larger than stock, thus the concern of not matching with the stock rear sway bar.  After I got them back from powder coat, I pressed in new bushings to the rear bar and used all new poly chassis bushings with lubricant to prevent squeaks when assembling them to the frame.

expert sway bar help
























What's Next?
Originally, I was going to tackle the engine next and even have it mostly disassembled already.  But after seeing a post on one of the corvette forums where a few people lament on doing the engine too early, I think I'll go on to the body next.  Makes some sense to do the engine next, get it on the chassis, and thus out of the way.  But I know when the engine is done, I'll want to have it dyno'd to be sure all is well... and then it sits idle for who knows how long as I do body work off the frame.  So the plan is now to get the body to the point where there is no more to do until it is back on the frame.  Then I'll stop body work, do the engine and get it on to the chassis, and then lower the body back to the chassis for the final work.  

Jun 8, 2015

Front Suspension & Brakes

It's been quite some time since the last post.  Some minor work was accomplished such as restoring the front spindles, hubs, steering knuckles, and rear half shafts.  Nothing too interesting and should've been able to do more over that time, but laziness & work (mostly laziness) got in the way.  Back at it now though and hopeful to have a rolling chassis soon.  Excited to get that phase behind me, so I can dive into the engine next.

The front suspension recently came together...



Some info on what you see in the pics...
  • The upper and lower control arms are part of Vette Brakes & Products Performance Plus System.  It was a tough decision on which direction to go here... stock vs aftermarket, and then which aftermarket.  I liked this system for its adjustable ride height and ride firmness, plus appreciated the experience of other users who reported better handling on the road.  It utilizes a dual-mount transverse spring that does away with the coil springs between the control arms.  Coil-overs were an aftermarket thought too, but far too expensive for my overall budget plans.
  • Installation of the whole system went fairly smoothly following the directions and using the pictures I took during dis-assembly.  Also having the original suspension partially mocked up immediately after it came off the frame served as another good visual reference.  I did have to do some minor grinding on the bottom of the frame on a small area of the vertical lip where the RH side lower control arm cross shaft fits to get it mounted flush.  These cross shafts are much wider than stock.  Then I touched up the grinded area with POR15.  (yes, the frame is dusty!)
  • The system requires you to reuse some original fastening hardware.  Rather than restore every nut/bolt/etc right away, I just tackled each one as I needed it.  This helped me to not get things mixed up or misplaced.  I just used a wire wheel on my bench top grinder to restore them.

  • For the upper control arm shims, I cleaned up and put back what was initially there.  This will have to be fine tuned later at an alignment shop.
  • For front brakes, I'm using Wilwood 14" slotted rotors and 6-piston calipers fitted for C2 & C3's.  The installation went smoothly just following the supplied directions which was nice since it was another first in a long list of firsts for me on this project.  There is some trial & error built into the process in centering the caliper over the rotor and spacing it far enough way radially, but all the required shims were included in the kit.  My research revealed that the stock C3 braking system is still pretty good even by today's standards, but I liked the reduction in unsprung weight these brakes offer that I read about and the aesthetic is pretty cool too.  I did not get drilled and slotted rotors because some of the research I did showed that the holes can represent a weak spot in the rotor.  Once installed, I measured the rotor runout at ~0.010" on each side after torquing them down with lug nuts.  I'll have to use some shims between the hub and the rotor hat to get that in spec, but don't have any yet so perhaps I'll put that step in a future post.
  • The sway bar is not attached because the end links don't quite fit nicely with the mounting points on the lower control arms yet since there is no weight on the suspension.  I'll have to remember to attach those when I get to that point.
  • I'm impressed with the overall sturdiness of the components and hopeful it helps improve handling on the road.  The sway bar is 1 1/8" in diameter, 1/4" larger than what came off the car.  The control arms are made from box tubing which should be sturdier than the stock stamped steel.  The cross shafts for the lower control arms are much larger than stock as you can see in these pics...

  • I  cleaned up my stock spindles, hubs, and steering knuckles with a wire wheel and then gave them the POR15 treatment with a final coat of Seymour Cast Blast to get the color, being careful to not get any paint inside the hub or on the rotor mating surface.  I put new Timken bearings and races in the hubs as well.  I think the before/after pics are pretty obvious!



That wraps up where I'm at with the chassis as of this moment.  Next post will talk about what's installed in the rear in the pic below along with some rear suspension work.  Thanks for reading!